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Post edited 7:49 pm – November 17, 2009 by RevGenetics

Mr. Holmes,

Why do you keep making things up? You do realize your actions are not making your employer look very good let alone yourself…

Folks here are smart and can read your posts on the imminst.org website, and certainly make up their own mind.

Here is the "Prescription Free" wording you mentioned in a post.

No consumer talks this way, this type of language is used only in radio, TV commercials, marketing literature and SEO folks like John… No one says "prescription free water" or "prescription free eggnog" or "prescription free green tea"… so this one statement simply makes it so obvious:

FM2020, aka opendoor and holmes – you junp to conclusions from insufficient data,  Again.

I do not sell  resveratrol as a finished product, only to select individuals as a bulk powder.  I am not a biocemist though I have a scientiic and engineering background.  I do not play games.  I look for hard facts.  You have hardly any facts and Anthony has unveiled you as a professional marketing shill. So stop playing your games.

FM2020 said:

RevGenetics is again wrong. I post from Japan. The only way Revgenetics knows this is that maxwatt, the navigator who has blocked me, and also sells resveratrol himself, has told him this.  Why would I "shield" myself when I said I am Holmes?

I have no connection with Longevinex at all, despite RevGenetics accusations.  Why not show your "proof" RevGenetics? RevGenetics has also accused me of shilling two other brands, only because they both encourage a lower dose.

I went to that forum because  I read that Dr. Sinclair was taking Longevinex for three years.

This  is the article I read:

http://www.world-science.net/e…..ratrol.htm

Here is the deal: RevGenetics advertises at Immoratlity Institute. Maxwatt is a biochemist who will play games with those who show this article. The irony is that the Immortality Inst. thought it was a scoop at the time!  But in 2009, they don't seem to want people to know Dr. Sinclair took 300mg of Longevinex a day.   The problem folks, is that this is Dr. Sinclair's forum, not their's. The games they play at that forum are not as amenable here.

We consumers don't like games.

Post edited 5:08 am – November 17, 2009 by FM2020

The navigators and Anthony [RevGenetics] have a game going. Those browsing an otherwise good resveratrol forum should know this. When someone like Crepulance or myself starts asking about Longevinex or lower dosages, and in my case showed how The Immortality Insitute was proud that they corresponded with Dr. Sinclair and learned of his Longevinex regimine, we got pushed around. In my case I was banned. 

Here is one of the games played.

 RevGenetics [Anthony Loera] will intentionally raise a fuss, and one of his friendly navigators will normally say the thread isn't going anywhere, so will shut it down. An example from just 10 days ago:

RevGenetics (Anthony) concluded his post:

(Ahh nuts, this whole little conversation will probably be moved as it doesn't contribute to the knowledge in this thread… just an apparent spat.)

Cheers
A

Here, he is boasting about that little game. (The moderators didn't move that one since it would be too obvious.)  But we consumers who are trying to find out important information do not like little games.

http://www.imminst.org/forum/i…..&st=20

RevGenetics looks like he is again riling people in order to have a thread shut down. 

I can't beleve that any objective person would consider either Crepulance or me as anything other than consumers who have been trying to get solid information about resveratrol. You have accused others of shilling for companies as well. Neither Crepulance nor I appreciated how we got the run around. There are other threads were Crepulance was not treated fairly and some rightly defended him. We obviously have different personalities but both of us seem to want to get to the bottom of things and not be given the run around. People should know there is good information there, but unfortunately, the game playing as well.

I have no idea how good Crepulance's information was with respect to how much resveratrol Dr. Sinclair was taking  in late 2008. I know he was taking a bit over 300mg of Longevinex, which would correspond to 5mg/kg, from sometime in 2003 to at least late 2006. Not  sure about 2007 or 2008.

We also know that he wrote in his ebook to consider a maximum of 250mg.

In addition, we know that when you asked him, he explained that taking more than 250mg was venturing into a more uncertain area. Notice that at the time he didn't change his recommendation.

Dr. Sinclair can revise this at his site at any point he chooses. I can gurantee, however, that unlike at the ImmInst resv. forum, a "navigator" won't be able to send any undesired statements of fact to an area few will read.  

In regards to your claims about imminst.org, the link I posted to the Crepulance thread shows how Imminst.org forum members have reacted to the claims that other companies have used in their marketing. I suggest folks read the whole thread I linked to, to make up there own minds rather than take your word for it. I do find it entertaining at times, as Crepulance really loses his way toward the end.

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RevGenetics, I'm glad you found that entertaining, but the simple truth is that Crepulance said he was using Longevinex but tried RevGenetics brand for a while and reported that he didn't have some of the same positive feelings that he had with Longevinex.  He wanted to know why, and so started posting there. Maybe it had to do with the other two compounds blended with resveratrol in Longevinex. I don't know. What I do know is that he got the run around for asking interesting questions. He saw that I got the run around as well, complained, and that thread got booted to a generic "free speech" forum where few would read it.

That is unfortunately the state of the Immt Inst resveratrol forum.

Do you want to discuss why Dr sinclair's dose (which is greater than 250mg) gets you upset? Or why his wife takes high doses of resveratrol? Honestly, you should not get so upset at other peoples choices.

Dr. Sinclair should understand the different tactics RevGenetics and the Immortality Institute resveratrol forum use. The above is the latest. RevGenetics has no idea how much resveratrol Dr. Sinclair or his wife takes. All we know is that he took Longevinex at around 300mg for three years according to a correspondance with the Immortality Institute in early 2007, yet I think RevGenetics would like to see the entire 5mg/kg/day thread vanish and so will start to rile either Dr. Sinclair or others.

RevGenetics is also fully aware I don't get "upset at other people's choices." I don't care if people take 0mg, 100mg, 300mg, or 1500mg a day. Why would I? What is unfortunate is that there is good information at the Immt Inst resveratrol forum, but because RevGenetics is their advertiser, posts regularly as the CEO Anthony Lorea, and the two navigators are pro high dose  as well as strongly anti-Longevinex, an honset disussion is not allowed with respect to certain important issues. People browsing that site should be aware of this.

I was naive when I first started posting there. I knew there was a potential issue if a resveratrol vendor is also the advertiser and posts regularly, but I did not realize that the navigators, who are scientists, would play the games that they did. 

Post edited 3:37 pm – November 16, 2009 by FM2020

RevGenetics, You have accusused others of the same thing, just for asking about Longevinex,  etc.

I started "Opendoor" after being banned as "Holmes" because Dr. Sinclair had mentioned in summer that he will have a series of publications that seemed extremely interesting.

Here is what one person had to say about how the resveratrol forum at the Immt Inst has been run: 

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"My my my. Let's deduce, shall we. This goes out to Niner [navigator], and Anthony [RevGenetics], and the others who so quickly and childishly attacked Holmes [FM2020]. First we'll simplify for a broader perspective, then we'll dissect. Holmes mentions the word Longevin** and/or low dose resveratrol, and he is POUNCED upon immediately by navigators [mazwatt, niner]. He handles himself tactfully and without ad hominem, and yet is still suspended for three days because of his refusal to lay down to the navigator's opposing arguments, and yet again, the thread is closed… 

Whether or not holmes [FM2020] is right, his argument is completely legitimate, and for you navigators and merchants who scrape so low as to berate him and say he MUST work for a low dose res company because of his views completely deteriorates and credibility you have.…

"And as for Holmes [FM2020], I don't know or care where I started reading. What I do know is where I was reading, he was behaving civilized and tactful, and you were all antagonistic and power hungry, again banning someone regardless of the fact that they didn't use ad hominem, etc. Simply because they disagreed with you and wouldn't back down, or answer your questions the way you wanted them to. You pester his character, because you know he can't pester you back, since the second he does, you'll boot him. Give it up. I ache for the day another Res forum website opens up which is 99% Free Speech, as opposed to the 1% Free Speech you allow here. This site exists merely because of a lack of another, better run one. It's a shame, ..

http://www.imminst.org/forum/K…..30733.html

Post edited 3:03 pm – November 16, 2009 by FM2020

RevGenetics is again wrong. I post from Japan. The only way Revgenetics knows this is that maxwatt, the navigator who has blocked me, and also sells resveratrol himself, has told him this.  Why would I "shield" myself when I said I am Holmes?

I have no connection with Longevinex at all, despite RevGenetics accusations.  Why not show your "proof" RevGenetics? RevGenetics has also accused me of shilling two other brands, only because they both encourage a lower dose.

I went to that forum because  I read that Dr. Sinclair was taking Longevinex for three years.

This  is the article I read:

http://www.world-science.net/e…..ratrol.htm

Here is the deal: RevGenetics advertises at Immoratlity Institute. Maxwatt is a biochemist who will play games with those who show this article. The irony is that the Immortality Inst. thought it was a scoop at the time!  But in 2009, they don't seem to want people to know Dr. Sinclair took 300mg of Longevinex a day.   The problem folks, is that this is Dr. Sinclair's forum, not their's. The games they play at that forum are not as amenable here.

We consumers don't like games.

Post edited 8:30 am – November 16, 2009 by RevGenetics

It's my understanding that the Japanese proxy server you used to shield yourself as Holmes has also been linked to a competitor's IP in emails, and is not the only electronic proof. However, since I don't want to continue arguing with you because you represent a competitor, I will walk over to you and agree with you on one thing…

Dr. Sinclair has not answered your first post on this thread.

According to your own posts he apparently takes more than 250mg.

I believe I understand that it is a personal choice to take more, because he fees safe to do so for himself. But again, I actually agree with you, Dr. Sinclair has not answered your questions yet.

As for the thread on imminst.org, you might as well copy all of the post from it, or better yet… ask folks to go and read the full thread for themselves. I believe it offers more information than you provide: http://www.imminst.org/forum/R…..34125.html

"Prophets" the person you stated was a scientist says:

not taking resveratrol currently. i never came to a firm conclusion on what comprises a 'low dose', i did spend time thinking/looking at it. i would defer to someone like maxwatt on a more thoughtful answer. But i remember coming out to something like 50 mg of resveratrol and 125 mg of quercetin (close to 1:2) ratio. i honestly can't remember off-hand which paper I based it on (i was doing it on a mg/kg from some paper).

i think there is like 1-2 mg of resveratrol per glass of red wine. so i was thinking like 500 mg of resveratrol seemed a little too much to me. that a more low dose strategy divided up and taken with meals (~4-5 hrs apart) made more sense. but thats my best guess…

i may come back to it. i've been basically drinking tons of green tea laced w/ rosemary and i get a pretty good buzz off that and just lost interest in resv.

Post edited 8:48 pm – November 15, 2009 by RevGenetics

FM2020 said:

http://www.imminst.org/forum/R…..34125.html

That is a great thread!

I would ask most people here to take a click on the link to the thread, as it is an ongoing discussion that is very interesting and in the last post, the person you say is a "scientist" defers to Maxwatt for more information as to what a low dose may be since he does not take it.

BTW:

Maxwatt at the Resveratrol Forum I believe has taken 1 gram or more of resveratrol early on, but I think he may currently be taking 500mg. Most folks can easily go to the forum, and ask him. I am sure he will help as he has been very knowledgable about the subject, and I have even asked him questions myself about resveratrol at times.

I highly reccomend him when stumped about a question dealing with resveratrol. Or… simply search through his posts for any answers he has posted previously.

Cheers everyone!