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Post edited 10:09 am – November 19, 2009 by RevGenetics

Again, you can say I misled folks , however I don't believe I did at all. I posted a quote from Dr. Sinclair after the eBook was published, and there are no issues with what was quoted from his site as you can see below.

While Dr. Sinclair doesn't have human studies of what happens to folks that take resveratrol over 3 months, he has taken it at doses greater than 250mg himself for years apparently. We also know that he is not an MD with patients, while Dr. Maroon is a neurosergeon with patients. There is also a 2 year history of folks taking 500mg or more at the resveratrol forum. The thread on "500mg" does have this information (Link). There is no "unknown territory" for folks like me that take more than 250mg, and have found it safe. I would venture to say, that Dr. Sinclair has found it personally safe as well, and even points out that his wife takes a high dose of resveratrol:

Here is the question:

RevGenetics posted on the Immortality Insitiute forum in response to a person who wondered what the optimum dose might be:

"Dr. Sinclair says that "the doses based on the mouse studies are 250 -500 mg per day" (From his site)

Dr. Maroon suggests between 250mg -500mg, but athletes should consider more. (From his book "The longevity Factor")"

Link to the Resveratrol Forum post:

http://www.imminst.org/forum/W…..34739.html

Here is your question and the answer to it:

Question: What would Dr. Sinclair make of RevGenetics' statement here? Would Dr. Sinclair think it represented what he wrote with respect to his suggested maximum of 250mg in his ebook, and in his follow up directly to RevGenetics about higher doses would be venturing into "greater unkonwn territory"?

Answer:

Dr. Sinclair wrote the following after publishing the eBook, I consider it an addendum:

"The e-book download goes into this in detail – it states that the doses based on the mouse studies are 250 -500 mg per day. There are a few reports of resveratrol thinning the blood. I've not read any severe side effects of 1 gram per day.Has anyone had negative side effects we should look for?" – Dr. Sinclair

"Revegenetics – one reason may be that the human studies are only short term (~3 mo) and the long term effects of resveratrol in healthy people over years are not yet known. Taking more than 250 mg, therefore, is venturing into greater unknown territory, which might be safe but would be a personal choice." – Dr. Sinclair

Dr. Sinclair probably would say that it's a personal choice, since he has stated that his wife takes high dose resveratrol and Dr. Sinclair takes takes a dose greater than 250mg. Your best friend who says he met him on TV, even said Dr. Sinclair takes 1 gram a day.

Remember, Dr. Sinclair continues to work for a drug company that would seek to benefit from high powered / high dose version of resveratrol. I believe he walks a fine line because of this. One needs to consider his posts after the ebook was published, his personal intake, as well as the comments about his wife.

Yes I definitely think he would say it's a personal choice, I am not sure he can say otherwise because of GSK.

Post edited 1:30 pm – December 1, 2009 by RevGenetics

Again, you can say I misled folks , however I don't believe I did at all. I posted a quote from Dr. Sinclair after the eBook was published, and there are no issues with what was quoted from his site as you can see below.

While Dr. Sinclair doesn't have human studies of what happens to folks that take resveratrol over 3 months, he has taken it at doses greater than 250mg himself for years apparently. We also know that he is not an MD with patients, while Dr. Maroon is a neurosergeon with patients. There is also a 2 year history of folks taking 500mg or more at the resveratrol forum. The thread on "500mg" does have this information (Link). There is no "unknown territory" for folks like me that take more than 250mg, and have found it safe. I would venture to say, that Dr. Sinclair has found it personally safe as well, and even points out that his wife takes a high dose of resveratrol:

Here is the question:

RevGenetics posted on the Immortality Insitiute forum in response to a person who wondered what the optimum dose might be:

"Dr. Sinclair says that "the doses based on the mouse studies are 250 -500 mg per day" (From his site)

Dr. Maroon suggests between 250mg -500mg, but athletes should consider more. (From his book "The longevity Factor")"

Link to the Resveratrol Forum post:

http://www.imminst.org/forum/W…..34739.html

Here is your question and the answer to it:

Question: What would Dr. Sinclair make of RevGenetics' statement here? Would Dr. Sinclair think it represented what he wrote with respect to his suggested maximum of 250mg in his ebook, and in his follow up directly to RevGenetics about higher doses would be venturing into "greater unkonwn territory"?

Answer:

Dr. Sinclair wrote the following after publishing the eBook, I consider it an addendum:

"The e-book download goes into this in detail – it states that the doses based on the mouse studies are 250 -500 mg per day. There are a few reports of resveratrol thinning the blood. I've not read any severe side effects of 1 gram per day.Has anyone had negative side effects we should look for?" – Dr. Sinclair

"Revegenetics – one reason may be that the human studies are only short term (~3 mo) and the long term effects of resveratrol in healthy people over years are not yet known. Taking more than 250 mg, therefore, is venturing into greater unknown territory, which might be safe but would be a personal choice." – Dr. Sinclair

Dr. Sinclair probably would say that it's a personal choice, since he has stated that his wife takes high dose resveratrol and Dr. Sinclair takes takes a dose greater than 250mg. Your best friend who says he met him on TV, even said Dr. Sinclair takes 1 gram a day.

Remember, Dr. Sinclair continues to work for a drug company that would seek to benefit from high powered / high dose version of resveratrol. I believe he walks a fine line because of this. One needs to consider his posts after the ebook was published, his personal intake, as well as the comments about his wife.

Yes I definitely think he would say it's a personal choice, I am not sure he can say otherwise because of GSK.

Could you just explain why you failed to include the information about what Dr. Sicnlair said in his ebook with respect to 250mg being a maximum to consider, and that he posted directly to your question that going over 250mg would be venturing into greater unknown territory?

Did those two statements just happen to slip your mind, RevGenetics?

Do you think your statement at the Immortality Institute appears honest to those reading there?

Don't you think you owe Dr. Sinclair a small apology?…. "I'm sorry I took your quote out of context to make it seem that you recommended 250mg to 500mg"

RevGenetics said:

There is a thread here that states the following from Dr. Sinclair, as the information is more recent than the eBook:

Thread: "How much resveratrol should I take?"

Posted By: Davids

First Post says:

"The e-book download goes into this in detail – it states that the doses based on the mouse studies are 250 -500 mg per day. There are a few reports of resveratrol thinning the blood. I've not read any severe side effects of 1 gram per day.Has anyone had negative side effects we should look for?"

http://www.resforum.org/index……dl-i-take/

That one is pretty simple.

Post edited 10:03 pm – November 17, 2009 by RevGenetics

So, now you say that the "Prescription Free" comment is in fact your words, your sole response to a post. You are actually taking ownership of it?

Is that true?

I am glad my quote above pushed you in the right direction. So it appears you copied it from an article, and it was not the words of Loew at all, but an article about Dr. Sinclair and Bill Sardi, who now doesn't use the same formulation or the same capsules, he used to use for the protection of the resveratrol (as he puts it).

You did however use these, and other statements over and over again, in your marketing campaign. I am glad you are confessing a bit, and remembering your posts, instead of embarrasing yourself further.

Post edited 10:02 pm – November 17, 2009 by RevGenetics

Again, my response to the other item:

Dr. Sinclair probably would say that it's a personal choice, since his wife takes high dose resveratrol and Dr. Sinclair takes takes a dose greater than 250mg (according to your statements). All this while your best friend Crep, said Dr. Sinclair takes 1 gram a day.

Yes I definitely think he would say it's a personal choice.

The silliness of RevGentics's games…

At first, Revgenetics tried to provide a link, but it didnt click on to anywhere. The scan of the quote was also just an "X" so I had no idea what he was talking about. Furthermore, RevGenetics used the quote "Perscrption Free" in capital letters, and I couldnt possibly think why I'd ever write it that way, as if an advertisement like "Fat Free"

But alas, RevGenetics, who took Dr. Sinclair's dosage quote out of context to make it look like that was a recommended amount instead of clearly explaining why he thought at this time he could recommend 250mg as a maximum, also took "Perscription Free" [sic] out of context since it was in response to a forum member discussing SRT 501,(and other potential products in development in Dr. Sinclair's lab) which was rumored to need a perscription if released.

It is unfortunate that RevGenetics chose to deliberately take Dr. Sinclair's quote out of context and place it on a forum where such nonsense is protected by the moderators who support their advertiser. I think a simple apology to Dr. Sinclair would be appropriate.

RevGenetics games are tiresome.

I just wrote: "The 'prescription free' was made in response to the post above it by one who was discussing the potential GSK pills (SRT501, etc) that were thought may require a perscription from a doctor to treat diabetes,etc. "

Post edited 8:39 pm – November 17, 2009 by FM2020

RevGenetics, not surprisingly, has claimed I said something I never did.

" …and Dr. Sinclair takes takes a dose greater than 250mg (according to your statements)."

No, I have written that Dr. Sinclair was taking 320mg of Longevinex from 2003 until at least November 2006. That is not the present tense.

The 'prescription free' was made in response to the post above it by one who was discussing the potential GSK pills (SRT501, etc) that were thought may require a perscription from a doctor to treat diabetes,etc. if they are available in a few years. Both of those are blends, as is Vivix.  

I think an apology to Dr. Sinclair is in order for using his quote out of context along with a neurosurgeons' recommendation, that makes it look like both recommended people take 250mg to 500mg when RevGenetics clearly knew he was withholding information that showed 250mg was Dr. Sinclair's maximum recommendation.

Consumers don't like games including partial quotes out of context that mislead what the person intended to say. My guess is that Dr. Sinclair does not appreciate that game either.

Post edited 8:33 pm – November 17, 2009 by RevGenetics

RevGenetics didn't post a reall working link, so I can't check what he is talking about. I have never typed "Prescription free" anywhere. Just more games, and on Dr. Sinclair's forum.

Hmm… seems like the darn image broke when I posted it initially. It's fixed now. Can you provide a link to the quote because it certainly looks like you added the prescription part, as I can't imagine Loew doing it:

Link and Image: